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- April 23, 2013 at 9:46 am #415423Scott LounsburyParticipantGood morning, all.I am looking to video our concerts for archive purposes only. I’d love to be able to just set it up, let it run, and then be able to show the recording to the class. Yes, I’d like it to have either decent sound OR a mic input. I would love for it to record to .mp4, and would love to be able to *easily* edit the full concert to clips.I used to used my Flip… lousy zoom, focus issues (esp. in concert/low light), and sound wasn’t all that grand either. Then they stopped making it. So I am looking to make a purchase, but wanted your input first.What do you use for these purposes?Thanks,Scott LounsburyJune 25, 2013 at 2:49 pm #419813Carl ConradParticipantThis is a great camera! Full HD, and a microphone input. It has a pretty good autofocus. It uses an SD card so it records AVCHD which is a better format then .mp4. I have used a camera like this (not this model) to record my own little choir for their Christmas program!November 23, 2013 at 7:04 pm #430584Cyndi HuntParticipantVERY late reply, but what about a Sony Bloggie? It isn’t great in low light, but it sure handles sound well IMHO. I use it to shoot videos of myself singing with my choir. I have a youtube playlist and the first video in it shows how I shoot my videos. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7450C662E71A8000 (Because I haven’t seen ANYONE on youtube who shoots choir videos quite like mine. I have fun! So I’m sorry to say sometimes it will sound soprano heavy because you’re basically IN my section with me.)January 7, 2014 at 12:20 pm #433211Carl ConradParticipantEven later reply 😉 But yes, I haved used a Sony Bloggie and I like it a lot! Works very well for the size of it!!January 2, 2015 at 1:46 pm #458198Ian BullenParticipantMay I ask our pro audio/video techies or any more experieced amateurs out there for a 2015-year update to Scott’s video recording question?The challenge is to video record a choir concent in relatively poor evening concert lighting in a church, while capturing a good audio recording as well. I have started doing this for a choir in an amateur way and would love to hear the experience of those who have tried other solutions.I’ve found it fairly economical to rent equipment from any larger music store in a good-sized city: I recently used a Zoom Q4 video recorder (tiny, discreet on a mic stand in the aisle) and a Zoom H4N audio recorder a little further back so I had some choice if the REQUIRED position of the video recorder (to frame the choir – the Q4 has only two discrete zoom options) gave too much of a close-miked sound. We had two 4-LED light bars illuminating the choir from left and right on speaker stands, and full altar area lighting on. The choir seemed reasonably lit to the eye, and were hot under the lights.The video recording was NOT impressive: too dark. I had used a ‘concert’ lighting setting on the Q4 and probably should have left it to auto-balance. However, I suspect the tiny nature of the recorder and its optics limited its light-gathering ability.Next I’m going to be looking at using a DSLR camera with its bigger lens, for video recording, but I know with some of the older ones the time limit (without restarting the recording) is a MAXIMUM of about 28 minutes which isn’t very acceptable. Can anyone relate their experience with this, or other solutions that are effective for this challenge?November 4, 2015 at 10:55 pm #478131Sara StricherzParticipantHave you reached your conclusion/solution? I’m also trying to find a way to record my Choir concerts, with dark house lights and bright onstage lights- something which will not wash out my kids’ faces and sound somewhat like the life experience.. 🙂April 21, 2020 at 4:48 pm #620497Ian BullenParticipant
Well, for those who happen upon this thread I’ll just add what has worked for us for archival recordings. This can be managed by ONE person. I’ll comment on editing afterwards too. The perspective is that of an amateur who’s being doing it for a long time.
I get decent sound from an old Sony H4N recorder using its built-in mics, which I run on its batteries on a round weighted stand, not to fuss with any cords or stand legs tripping the audience. There’s no risk of it running out of battery, it could probably go all day on 2AA’s. I position this optimally in the room. Ours, used, from a rental shop many years ago, was $150 back then. There are many great options if you can’t find a used one of this discontinued model. Other options are little kits that connect to your iPhone’s lightning connector (iQ7, 1Q6), their H1N, H2N, or the upgraded version of what I’m talking about, which is the H4N pro.
The nice things are:
-easy mobility for best positioning: use the included adaptor for a mic stand or get a mic-to-camera mount or swivel mount; no fuss.
-choice of 90 or 120 degree recording field positions on the mics.
-easy access to recording level adjustment, to check the loudest song and make sure the settings are adequate
-audio out port so you can plug in good headphones and check the sound of the choir
-extensive further capability if you have the time and energy, you could record with 2 external mics simultaneously for great mixing potential to get the best out of the room acoustic if you want to spend the time and effort.
For video, I use two units, both off battery and I carry a spare and swap it at intermission for both:
1. a Canon M3 camera. This is a pain in some ways because the maximum recording time is 30 minutes, but there’s sure to be clapping somewhere and I sit next it in the aisle and stop and re-start it manually. It has ASTOUNDINGLY good audio from its internal mics, we’ve used its recording on national radio broadcasts. However, the large back video screen can be tilted any way you could need it and you can see what you need to see, seated.
2. A Gopro. Typically I mount this on a silver stand, place it on a chair and fully extend the stand behind the singers on risers and turn off the red recording light, and it’s very, very discreet which giving an amazing angle on the conductor, just as if you’re in the choir. The sound quality is hopeless it’s just for video. I completely control this remotely from my iPhone as it broadcasts to my iPhone on its own Wifi network.
These two angles allow very good picture-in-picture or fade-in video editing options between choir, and conductor w/ audience doing his/her thing.
Start of concert sees me get the H4N audio started about 3 minutes before the concert and I won’t stop it until intermission.
I’ll walk out to be sure the GoPro’s all good and transmitting to my iPhone screen and controllable.
I’ll go back to my seat in the center aisle where I’ve chosen to position the Canon M3 camera and start both video recorders as the choir comes in. I might snap my fingers or clap my hands once midway between recorders to get a sound peak to help align video and audio later.
Battery swaps for the video recorders happen at intermission.
Best value for simple post-production editing is Adobe Photoshop Elements & Adobe Premiere Elements at about $150 for the 2 mid-level programs. There’s extensive video and written help.
I drop in the 2 audio tracks from 1st and second half.
I drop in the Canon video+audio above this
I drop in the GoPro video+audio above that -the conductor shots are less frequent.
I align times with the H4N audio and go about tweaking clips – if you’re going to make a Youtube video or the like you’ll probably find that your conductor only agrees to work up one or two songs – because it’s live quality – I won’t get into editing fussiness but none of the above options will break the bank and you can find those or similar equipment used and do the same.
Here are a few things we’ve pulled together with that.
Comments and advice on improvements are welcome.
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