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Haydn, Lord Nelson mass: Instrumentation



Dear colleagues,

Thanks to the many of you who sent very useful information. I have compiled
the results below.

Kirin Nielsen
nielsenk(a)ripon.edu

I have not done this work, but recently purchased a score through Luck's
Music for use at a workshop. I am looking at Edition Peters and it shows:
flute (1), oboe (2), bassoon (2 unison), trumpet (3), timpani, violin (I &
II), viola, cello, and dbl. bass and organ. This seems to be different from

either of the two you mentioned in your post. ???????

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The version for 3 trumpets (I have never used more than two) is the original

one written by H. Esterhazy was on an austerity kick, and so H had fewer
instruments at his disposal. At a lter time (future performance?
publication?) Haydn added the wind parts. Both are the composer's
intentions.

did
you obtain them (either purchase or rental)? >>

I use Barenreiter, although I think the Schott (HC Robbins Landon, ed)
edition may be better. There are many mistakes in the Barenreiter, and the
editor's decision to use a later version of the soprano solo (where H had a
very poor soloist to work with) is extremely puzzling.

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There are two versions, Kirin. The one with the smaller
orchestration, the original, I believe, needs organ, and the one with
the winds doesn't, or something like that.

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The original is strings, 3 trumpets (tr. 3 only plays in the Kyrie and
Benedictus), timpani and organ obbligato. (Bassoon is part of the
continuo).
The wind parts were written later when the work was published by Breitkopf
(early 19th c)--they were meant to replace the organ part.

The best edition of this work is the H.C. Robbins Landon (Schott)--the one
from Breitkopf (ed. Georg Feder) contains the wind parts and the organ part,

but it's problematic; for instance, the bassoon part is the rewritten one,
not the original b.c.

I just did this work this past May using Breitkopf --there are also some
mistakes in the piano-vocal score, and a few mistakes in the instrumental
parts. Haydn made a variety of changes in the work over the years (for
instance, the soprano solo at the beginning of the Gloria)--in many
instances, the original is preferred; unfortunately the variations are not
provided in Breitkopf.

I couldn't get hold of the Schott, so I bought a pocket score (Eulenberg)
which is ed. by Robbins Landon and made the appropriate changes in
Breitkopf.

I used the Barenreiter pno/vocal and the orch. parts, etc. We purchased
them--tho' probably the Schott would've been better, the Barenreiter does
have the wind parts if we ever wanted to do the work without the organ. Our

new 24-stop tracker will be installed this August in the gallery (we used a
rented portativ for our performance), so perhaps we'll want to use the wind
parts the next time (tho' I doubt it!).

The pno/vocal score of Barenreiter is easy to read--easier than Schott.
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I have done it in the past and will be doing it again next Maundy Thursday.
I
use the Kalmus Edition. Strings, brass and organ are the only
instrumentalists
that I perform it with because of space limitations.

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There are indeed two versions. The earlier, preferred version omits the
woodwinds.

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I did the Lord Nelson a couple of years ago from the Peters Edition. It
lists Orchestration as:

Strings
1 Flute
2 Oboe
2 Bassoon (Unison)
3 Trumpets
Timpani
Organ

Our performance was with a smaller orchestra, as we used only one bassoon
and two trumpets.

I don't know about the clarinets. I suppose it is possible that somebody
misread "Clarino" for clarinet, as my Peters score uses "trumpet" on the
orchestration page, but "clarino" in the actual score.

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My recollection from Robbins Landon's Chronology account is that the larger
orchestration was either added by Haydn at a later date, or he tacitly
approved the publisher looking after addition of these extra parts. The
original orchestration is the smaller one, however.

I have done both, and the larger orchestration (ours is a Peters edition)
works quite well.

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But I do clearly recall that Haydn did an alternative orchestration for
something like strings plus organ, the organo being a continuo cum
obbligato, covering some necessary WW lines. Thus, a cheaper and perhaps
more practical alternative to the bigger version with more "harmonie." I
think HC Robbins Landon has published both versions. I know that we have
done it both ways, but don't recall from whom we rented the parts. In
short: YES there are TWO versions, one of which is the very practical
strings plus organ. Go for it!

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Yes, there are two versions. Haydn's publisher arranged the woodwind
parts afterwards, apparently with Haydn's approval, so it's not wrong
to use the winds, but the original version doesn't have them.

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There are two genuine scorings. OUP does a good edition edited by Denis
McCaldin (full score and orchestral material on rental) which I know about
as
I've got a large amount of their rental material in front of me at the
moment
as I am updating and correcting it for them. Most publishers give you
either
the original version (strings, 3 trumpets, timpani, and solo organ), or the
later version with woodwind and horns as well (but organ part reduced to
just
continuo realization), but OUP combines both. In fact the string parts and
trumpet parts are the same for both versions.

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